C.L Hartman question

Umm, i know he had a son called Jacob Hartman who is indeed literally still with us, the only credits i have of C.L Hartman is at the earliest animating commercials for John Hubley's Storyboard Studios, at UPA on films like Ballet Ooop (uncredited) , Magoo's Moosehunt and Scoutmaster Magoo, at the Larry Harmon Studio (which was in reality a bought out Paul Fennel Cartoon Films) on the Bozo cartoons and the TV Popeyes, then arriving at Playhouse Pictures then doing commercials again and animating on H-B cartoons such as Yakky Doodle and Hokey Wolf, then truly arriving at Hanna Barbera in terms of freelance in 1964 drawing the animation and scene layouts for cartoons for mostly the action stuff such as Johnny Quest (designed by the stylish and talented Doug Widely), and at the latest seemingly finished his whole career working on Filmation's bilge.

BUT, i wonder where he started way before he arrived at UPA, I know Alan Zazlove was from Disney (being John Sibley's assisitant perhaps?), Barney Posner from Columbia/Mintz and Tom McDonald was from Leon Schlesigner Productions (probobly an inbetweener first, then an assistant, and eventually a full animator which like Fred Abranz never recived screen credit, i belive he was either a utillity animator who poped from unit to unit or maybe he was exculsive to one unit at Termite Terrace, if so which one? ), but i've got litteraly NOTHING backing up on C.L Hartman (one other i've got nothing on is Allen Wilzbach, who's early credits literally just show doing 'animation' at Hanna Barbera in 1960), anyone who was the exessive sincere truth and info to back it all up please do NOT hesistate.

I'll just cynically say that he was formely at Fleischer/Famous assisting or succoring animator Nick Tafuri, prove me false later if this is not it.

Biographical info has also been blurred and unknown as well: is he still with us or is he no longer with us?

Dave, I'm working on an Augie Doggie post and spotted your query in my search.

Clarence Lafayette Hartman, Jr. was born in Ft. Worth, Texas on March 20, 1916 to Clarence and Cecile (Moorehead) Hartman. His father was a musician who went to work at KMBC Kansas City, where the family was residing in 1930. This is confirmed by WW1 and WW2 draft records and the 1940 U.S. Census.
C.L. was at Disney by 1939. The Disney reference is contained in Daily Variety of Dec. 15, 1941; C.L. had enlisted the previous July. Evidently he was either new or not used much at Disney. He made $700 there in 1939 working half a year.
During the '50s, he illustrated books. Can't tell you when he arrived at UPA or what he did before he got there.
He died in Los Angeles on June 26, 1985. Any other dates you see on-line are wrong; they're for a different Clarence L. Hartman born in Texas in 1916.

Yowp

Dave, I haven't done a lot of research but have gone through the Los Angeles Times and assorted census records.

Allen Jack Wilzbach was born on Dec. 1, 1929 in Ohio to Edward and Edna Wilzbach. He was the youngest of two children; his father drove a milk truck in Cheviot. The family came to Los Angeles some time after 1940. His parents were married for 71 years. Whether he's still alive, I don't know.

Yowp